Carlisle City Council leader will consider Turkish Baths becoming a community asset

The health and wellbeing panel met at Carlisle City Council yesterday to discuss a feasibility study for the James Street Baths and Turkish Health Suite.

The study was carried out to find uses for the Turkish Baths when new swimming facilities are introduced at the Sands Centre.

A £27 million redevelopment of The Sands Centre will see GLL moving its swimming provision to the venue from the pool on James Street.

The 1970s swimming pool could be demolished after GLL relocates - but the adjacent Turkish Baths will remain.

Carlisle City Council has previously stated that there was no budget for the Turkish Baths after the refurbishment of the Sands Centre and the baths will close.

Members of a campaign group, The Friends of the Victorian Baths, attended yesterday’s meeting to give their vision for the future. They hope that although the 1970s building could be demolished, the wellbeing benefits of the Turkish Baths will remain available to Carlisle residents.

Community group: Friends of the Victorian Baths attended the meeting on Thursday

The chairwoman of the campaign group, Julie Minns, said: “We are a group of volunteers, we’ve been in existence for just 10 months and what we’ve achieved in those 10 months in terms of doubling usage and raising awareness about Carlisle’s historic baths is testimony to our commitment to this part of Carlisle’s living heritage.

“I would emphasise that, this isn’t a museum piece, it’s a piece of living heritage that continues to play an active part in supporting the health and wellbeing of our local residents.”

Campaigners called for the baths to transfer to community ownership and remain open.

Ms Minns said: “We believe there’s huge potential for these baths to be a unique visitor attraction for the city and we want to ensure that it continues to support the health and wellbeing of residents as it has done for 138 years.”

“We would retain the buildings and develop them restoring not just the Turkish Baths to their original condition but the 20 metre pool which as the Statement of Significance highlights, does have a number of original features underneath some of the adaptations that have been made.”

Ms Minns said that the baths have been “effectively supporting health and wellbeing for well over a century”.

Friends of the Victorian Baths hope for a restoration project, increasing capacity and creating a community laundry.

The group asked for time to prepare their own feasibility study, exploring the potential for their vision of the baths.

Ms Minns also asked the council that budget is allocated if the baths are not to close this summer.

She said: “There are two points that the council needs to address, one is what will happen in the interim, between now and the demolition of the 1970s pools. The baths remain in the ownership of the city council, if they are going to remain open, budget needs to be found.”

She also asked that officers work with the group on their proposal to transfer the baths to community ownership.

Council leader: John Mallinson

Leader of the council John Mallinson said: “We will not get into that awful problem of the crown owning something it is not prepared to do anything with.

"It is a listed building so we couldn’t knock it down even if we wanted to. I’m sure nobody wants a derelict building standing in what should be a very exciting area for Carlisle.

“It must be refurbished. Community asset transfer, it would seem like a perfectly logical thing to do.”

The first and third recommendation to the executive were agreed. Councillor Colin Glover asked the executive to “consider options and potential operators for keeping the Turkish Baths open after the new Sands pool opens until such time demolition begins and identify a budget to enable that to happen.”

Cllr Mallinson said: “We would be doing that anyway. If we were doing that and we got anywhere with it, we’d identify a budget.”

Although the vote was not passed, Mrs Minns said that “it was really great to hear” that the council is considering the option of a community asset transfer and the continuation of the baths in the medium term.